before the catholic church was created....there is already an existing christian church at the First century - that is the Gnostic Church....and that is the Original and First among christian churches...the catholic church was just a CHEAP COPYCAT...cheap kc ala siyang spiritual substance puro lang carnality or naturalness and earthboundness kaya nagetz siya ng mga ignoranteng masa..ahahaha...ala siyang ka sense-sense...kc nga CHEAP COPY CAT siya pioneered by Ireneus (a middle or nearly last quarter 2nd century man...hindi man niya naka salimuha ang mga apostles and even the real disciples together with the apostles....Ireneus was a plain ignorant and arrogant man....kaya nga ang tinatag niyang catholic church kamukha niya..that is IGNORANT )
The Original and First Christian church is a Gnostic One because Jesus never dispenses carnality and earthboundness matters but rather a Gnostic mysteries...Jesus is a gnostic mystic not a mere human activitist or literalist neither his mind is earthbound para mag dispense ng walang kwentang earthboundness sa mga apostles...so he dispenses gnostic mysteries to the apostles,baka pa siya naging "son of god" kuno kung ang itsura ng mga angel hindi niya madescribe...un pakayang nangyayari within the Spritual realm?
The Church were LED by the Apostles and their successors, the Church Fathers
Are you referring to Ignatius of Antioch or Irenaeus of Lyons? :rolleyes:
Ignatius was a disciple of the Apostle Peter and was the 3rd Bishop of Antioch
The term "catholic" was USED by the Church in 107 AD in defense of Heresy and AGAINST the Gnostic movement PRETENDING to be "Christians"
Irenaeus NEVER founded the Catholic Church..he was a "disciple" of Polycarp, the Church Father who was the direct successor or disciple of the Apostle John
The Church was already in place before "Irenaeus" became the Bishop of Lyons
BTW, Irenaeus is NOT Ignorant, he was a Church father and a Theologian, he wrote SEVERAL theological writings for the Church and against HERESY
Kindly get your FACTS straight[/B][/QUOTE]
[B]Looks who is not thinking straight,don't you think i do not know what you have post here ha?[/B]
What you have believed about Ignatius and Polycarp was definitely WRONG and FALSE...[B]their writings proves they are False "apostolic fathers"[/B] Do you understand the mysteries of the Kingdom of God,baka hindi mo ito alam...
Look,before Ignatius and Polycarp come into existence ( for they were according dating of their existence is between the last quarter of first century and first quarter of second century....IMAGINE WE ARE SPEAKING HERE "CENTURY" NOT "DAYS" OR "WEEKS" OR "MONTHS" OR "YEARS"....[B]which means before they exist meron ng ngeexist na VERY FIRST disciples that exist together with the Apostles...bago pa pinanganak si Ignatius and Polycarp[/B]....[B]KILALA MOBA SILA O HINDI?[/B] )
Through the said authentic writings of Ignatius and Polycarp,you can already distinguish their Point of Origin - that is they come from the lineage of a False Church.....[B]the lineage of Peter or John to Ignatius and Polycarp is a big BLUNDER....[/B]
Ireneus was indeed IGNORANT and ARROGANT that Polycarp do speak with apostle John....his writings speaks it very well...ahahaha
Kapareho siya ni Polycarp...ahahaha
THERE ARE UNSUNG DISCIPLES OUT THERE WHICH WERE NOT WRITTEN ON OUR ASSUMED HISTORY NAUN WHOSE WRITINGS STILL EXIST TODAY....
[B]HISTORY IS NOT JUST ONE SIDE OF THE COIN....YOU USE YOUR OWN LOGIC AND WISDOM.....SA MGA NANGLALAIT SA AKIN..LAITIN NILA ANG SARILI NILA BECAUSE THEY ARE THE ONES WHO DOES NOT USE THEIR OWN LOGIC AND WISDOM.......THEY HAVE ONLY ONE SIDE MINDSET...MAKIKITID MGA ISIPAN NILA....ANG TINITINGAN LANG NILA AY UN ONE SIDE OF HISTORY HINDI IYON WHOLE....[/B]